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Squareneck? - The Selfster - 09:20 14-11-08
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What exactly does a squareneck guitar entail -- fingerboard is flat
rather than slightly rounded, and strings are parallel, rather than
"closer together at the head, further apart at the bridge"?
Are only slide guitars squarenecks? What about classical guitars?
Thanks.
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Re: Squareneck? - olddog - 09:45 14-11-08
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"The Selfster" <karl.self@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> What exactly does a squareneck guitar entail -- fingerboard is flat
> rather than slightly rounded, and strings are parallel, rather than
> "closer together at the head, further apart at the bridge"?
>
> Are only slide guitars squarenecks? What about classical guitars?
>
> Thanks.
First off; I don't want to sound like a know-it-all and others can have
their own responses.
Yes: The fingerboard is flat.
No: On a square-neck OMI Dobro the strings are closer at the nut than at the
bridge.
A classical guitar is not a square-neck guitar.
Square-neck guitars are intended to be played on your lap, standing (flat),
or a stand (flat) and only with slides except on the occasion harmonics are
called for. You *could* play it like a regular guitar but only with a slide.
My question is: Why do square-neck Dobro guitars have frets as opposed to
fret markers like lap steels guitars?
Olddog
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On Nov 14, 8:45=A0am, "olddog" <em...@address.com> wrote:
> "The Selfster" <karl.s...@gmx.net> wrote in message
>
> news:92c0eb49-ca48-44f3-bd76-c38858efbae9@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
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> > What exactly does a squareneck guitar entail -- fingerboard is flat
> > rather than slightly rounded, and strings are parallel, rather than
> > "closer together at the head, further apart at the bridge"?
>
> > Are only slide guitars squarenecks? =A0What about classical guitars?
>
> > Thanks.
>
> First off; I don't want to sound like a know-it-all and others can have
> their own responses.
>
> Yes: The fingerboard is flat.
>
> No: On a square-neck OMI Dobro the strings are closer at the nut than at =
the
> bridge.
>
> A classical guitar is not a square-neck guitar.
>
> Square-neck guitars are intended to be played on your lap, standing (flat=
),
> or a stand (flat) and only with slides except on the occasion harmonics a=
re
> called for. You *could* play it like a regular guitar but only with a sli=
de.
>
> My question is: Why do square-neck Dobro guitars have frets as opposed to
> fret markers like lap steels guitars?
>
> Olddog
Yeah, like why do 7-Eleven stores have locks on the door if they never
close.
My dobro (round neck) has a removable nut that elevates the strings,
so I can play it either way. I have always used it as you would a
square neck, but the frets are their should I decided to remove the
raised nut.
I agree though. Seems like a true squre-neck would just have fret
markers.
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Re: Squareneck? - Twibil - 16:57 14-11-08
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On Nov 14, 6:45=A0am, "olddog" <em...@address.com> wrote:
> My question is: Why do square-neck Dobro guitars have frets as opposed to
> fret markers like lap steels guitars?
(A) They're position markers in either case.
(B) The Dobro's neck is stiffer/stronger with a seperate fingerboard
and frets than it would be without them.
(C) Dodro players like the way it looks with frets because it's
"traditional".
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Re: Squareneck? - Patrick Keenan - 01:51 17-11-08
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"The Selfster" <karl.self@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> What exactly does a squareneck guitar entail
They are almost exclusively slide guitars. I can't think of one that I've
seen that isn't.
On a squareneck, you don't put your hands around the neck and press the
strings down. You use a steel of some type.
Here's one here:
http://www.12fret.com/new/national-model-d-guitar-pg.html
> -- fingerboard is flat
> rather than slightly rounded, and strings are parallel,
Sometimes they aren't entirely parallel.
> rather than
> "closer together at the head, further apart at the bridge"?
Often these guitars do not have frets, and the "action" is very high, so
that a steel can be pressed against the strings with some pressure.
>
> Are only slide guitars squarenecks?
Almost exclusively. You can't really play them any other way.
> What about classical guitars?
Classical guitars have flatter fingergboards, but the back of the neck is
round, they do have frets, and they are intended to be played with the hand
around the neck pressing the strings against the frets. You can almost
never do that with a squareneck.
HTH
-pk
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> Thanks.
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Re: Squareneck? - Adams661 - 21:26 17-11-08
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On Nov 14, 6:45=A0am, "olddog" <em...@address.com> wrote:
> "The Selfster" <karl.s...@gmx.net> wrote in message
>
> news:92c0eb49-ca48-44f3-bd76-c38858efbae9@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > What exactly does a squareneck guitar entail -- fingerboard is flat
> > rather than slightly rounded, and strings are parallel, rather than
> > "closer together at the head, further apart at the bridge"?
>
> > Are only slide guitars squarenecks? =A0What about classical guitars?
>
> > Thanks.
>
> First off; I don't want to sound like a know-it-all and others can have
> their own responses.
>
> Yes: The fingerboard is flat.
>
> No: On a square-neck OMI Dobro the strings are closer at the nut than at =
the
> bridge.
>
> A classical guitar is not a square-neck guitar.
>
> Square-neck guitars are intended to be played on your lap, standing (flat=
),
> or a stand (flat) and only with slides except on the occasion harmonics a=
re
> called for. You *could* play it like a regular guitar but only with a sli=
de.
>
> My question is: Why do square-neck Dobro guitars have frets as opposed to
> fret markers like lap steels guitars?
>
> Olddog
The question should be why do lap guitars have fret markers at all?
All you need are the dots. I know that you dont understand this
having never played one without fret markers old dog.
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Re: Squareneck? - retired54 - 21:43 17-11-08
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"Adams661" <keithadams@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 14, 6:45 am, "olddog" <em...@address.com> wrote:
> "The Selfster" <karl.s...@gmx.net> wrote in message
>
> news:92c0eb49-ca48-44f3-bd76-c38858efbae9@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > What exactly does a squareneck guitar entail -- fingerboard is flat
> > rather than slightly rounded, and strings are parallel, rather than
> > "closer together at the head, further apart at the bridge"?
>
> > Are only slide guitars squarenecks? What about classical guitars?
>
> > Thanks.
>
> First off; I don't want to sound like a know-it-all and others can have
> their own responses.
>
> Yes: The fingerboard is flat.
>
> No: On a square-neck OMI Dobro the strings are closer at the nut than at
> the
> bridge.
>
> A classical guitar is not a square-neck guitar.
>
> Square-neck guitars are intended to be played on your lap, standing
> (flat),
> or a stand (flat) and only with slides except on the occasion harmonics
> are
> called for. You *could* play it like a regular guitar but only with a
> slide.
>
> My question is: Why do square-neck Dobro guitars have frets as opposed to
> fret markers like lap steels guitars?
>
> Olddog
The question should be why do lap guitars have fret markers at all?
All you need are the dots. I know that you dont understand this
having never played one without fret markers old dog.
================================================
I need fret markers but I can see how you could play without any. There are
lots of fretless instruments. Violins, cellos etc...
But I'm still waiting for an answer to the question.
Olddog
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Re: Squareneck? - Tony Done - 21:52 17-11-08
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On Nov 18, 12:43=A0pm, "retired54" <ne...@mind.com> wrote:
> "Adams661" <keithad...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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> news:af5c379c-23b9-4012-800c-8c55f3369ed8@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 14, 6:45 am, "olddog" <em...@address.com> wrote:
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> > "The Selfster" <karl.s...@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> >news:92c0eb49-ca48-44f3-bd76-c38858efbae9@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > What exactly does a squareneck guitar entail -- fingerboard is flat
> > > rather than slightly rounded, and strings are parallel, rather than
> > > "closer together at the head, further apart at the bridge"?
>
> > > Are only slide guitars squarenecks? What about classical guitars?
>
> > > Thanks.
>
> > First off; I don't want to sound like a know-it-all and others can have
> > their own responses.
>
> > Yes: The fingerboard is flat.
>
> > No: On a square-neck OMI Dobro the strings are closer at the nut than a=
t
> > the
> > bridge.
>
> > A classical guitar is not a square-neck guitar.
>
> > Square-neck guitars are intended to be played on your lap, standing
> > (flat),
> > or a stand (flat) and only with slides except on the occasion harmonics
> > are
> > called for. You *could* play it like a regular guitar but only with a
> > slide.
>
> > My question is: Why do square-neck Dobro guitars have frets as opposed =
to
> > fret markers like lap steels guitars?
>
> > Olddog
>
> The question should be why do lap guitars have fret markers at all?
> All you need are the dots. =A0I know that you dont understand this
> having never played one without fret markers old dog.
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> I need fret markers but I can see how you could play without any. There a=
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> lots of fretless instruments. Violins, cellos etc...
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> But I'm still waiting for an answer to the question.
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> Olddog- Hide quoted text -
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I think it a) reflects the history of acoustic lap steels, which
originally started out as conversions of conventional guitars b)
simplicity in manufacturing if you are doing both fretted and slide-
only instruments and c) a reluctance to depart from tradition. It
occurs to me that absence of frets would be a distinct advantage for
heavy handed players, who will hammer them on the high frets. A lot of
old electric lap steels show fret/fretboard wear from the bar on the
high frets of the high strings - including my tin Rick, which has
stamped-in frets.
Tony D
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Re: Squareneck? - Twibil - 22:53 17-11-08
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On Nov 17, 6:26=A0pm, Adams661 <keithad...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> All you need are the dots. =A0I know that you dont understand this
> having never played one without fret markers old dog.
All you need are ears. I know you don't understand this, never having
played a violin...
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Re: Squareneck? - Meat Plow - 12:38 18-11-08
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:52:17 -0800 (PST), Tony Done
<tonydone@bigpond.com>wrote:
>On Nov 18, 12:43?pm, "retired54" <ne...@mind.com> wrote:
>> "Adams661" <keithad...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> news:af5c379c-23b9-4012-800c-8c55f3369ed8@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 14, 6:45 am, "olddog" <em...@address.com> wrote:
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>> > "The Selfster" <karl.s...@gmx.net> wrote in message
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>> >news:92c0eb49-ca48-44f3-bd76-c38858efbae9@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > What exactly does a squareneck guitar entail -- fingerboard is flat
>> > > rather than slightly rounded, and strings are parallel, rather than
>> > > "closer together at the head, further apart at the bridge"?
>>
>> > > Are only slide guitars squarenecks? What about classical guitars?
>>
>> > > Thanks.
>>
>> > First off; I don't want to sound like a know-it-all and others can have
>> > their own responses.
>>
>> > Yes: The fingerboard is flat.
>>
>> > No: On a square-neck OMI Dobro the strings are closer at the nut than at
>> > the
>> > bridge.
>>
>> > A classical guitar is not a square-neck guitar.
>>
>> > Square-neck guitars are intended to be played on your lap, standing
>> > (flat),
>> > or a stand (flat) and only with slides except on the occasion harmonics
>> > are
>> > called for. You *could* play it like a regular guitar but only with a
>> > slide.
>>
>> > My question is: Why do square-neck Dobro guitars have frets as opposed to
>> > fret markers like lap steels guitars?
>>
>> > Olddog
>>
>> The question should be why do lap guitars have fret markers at all?
>> All you need are the dots. ?I know that you dont understand this
>> having never played one without fret markers old dog.
>>
>> ================================================
>>
>> I need fret markers but I can see how you could play without any. There are
>> lots of fretless instruments. Violins, cellos etc...
>>
>> But I'm still waiting for an answer to the question.
>>
>> Olddog- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
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>I think it a) reflects the history of acoustic lap steels, which
>originally started out as conversions of conventional guitars b)
>simplicity in manufacturing if you are doing both fretted and slide-
>only instruments and c) a reluctance to depart from tradition. It
>occurs to me that absence of frets would be a distinct advantage for
>heavy handed players, who will hammer them on the high frets. A lot of
>old electric lap steels show fret/fretboard wear from the bar on the
>high frets of the high strings - including my tin Rick, which has
>stamped-in frets.
>
>Tony D
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