PAF Classic Humbucker on tele - Don - 04:55 07-11-08
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Folks
I have recently fitted a tone zone t as the bridge pickup on my mia tele
(fantastic). I have left the neck pickup standard (or as it came) and
intend to put the Dimarzio PAF Classic as a third pick up (middle) and was
wondering whether its worth putting a 5 way switch and set it for out of
phase etc. However, my question relates to the best tone pots. Wondering
whether 250 or 500 is best with the PAF?
Any experience and views welcome
regards
Don from Down Under
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Re: PAF Classic Humbucker on tele - Patrick Keenan - 16:56 07-11-08
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"Don" <mackie.don@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:tgUQk.11777$sc2.8181@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Folks
>
> I have recently fitted a tone zone t as the bridge pickup on my mia tele
> (fantastic). I have left the neck pickup standard (or as it came) and
> intend to put the Dimarzio PAF Classic as a third pick up (middle) and was
> wondering whether its worth putting a 5 way switch and set it for out of
> phase etc. However, my question relates to the best tone pots. Wondering
> whether 250 or 500 is best with the PAF?
>
> Any experience and views welcome
>
> regards
>
> Don from Down Under
A standard 5-way switch won't do a phase reversal, it is just a selector.
You'd need to add another switch to shift the phase of one of the pickups.
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Re: PAF Classic Humbucker on tele - Mark Bedingfield - 17:34 07-11-08
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Patrick Keenan wrote:
> "Don" <mackie.don@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:tgUQk.11777$sc2.8181@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Folks
>>
>> I have recently fitted a tone zone t as the bridge pickup on my mia tele
>> (fantastic). I have left the neck pickup standard (or as it came) and
>> intend to put the Dimarzio PAF Classic as a third pick up (middle) and was
>> wondering whether its worth putting a 5 way switch and set it for out of
>> phase etc. However, my question relates to the best tone pots. Wondering
>> whether 250 or 500 is best with the PAF?
>>
>> Any experience and views welcome
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Don from Down Under
>
> A standard 5-way switch won't do a phase reversal, it is just a selector.
> You'd need to add another switch to shift the phase of one of the pickups.
>
>
http://www.tdpri.com/wiring5wayStrat.htm
Yeah, you can. See the Bill Lawrence switching.
I plan to build a similar Tele. Albert Collins style with a PAF and 5
way switch one of these days. What I'd really love is a Nashville Tele
with a PAF in the neck and a kill switch for the middle pup. That would
be so damn cool;-)
And Don, its all up to preference. I'd personally use a 250k, purely
because it'll be running with the bridge pup probably more often than
with the neck. But traditionally a PAF will be bunged in with a 500k
pot. Lower value is warmer, higher value is cleaner. Others could
probably explain that better than me tho.
Mark
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Re: PAF Classic Humbucker on tele - Squier - 19:30 07-11-08
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> Don <mackie.don@bigpond.com> wrote:
> Folks
>
> I have recently fitted a tone zone t as the bridge pickup on my mia tele
> (fantastic). I have left the neck pickup standard (or as it came) and
> intend to put the Dimarzio PAF Classic as a third pick up (middle) and was
> wondering whether its worth putting a 5 way switch and set it for out of
> phase etc. However, my question relates to the best tone pots. Wondering
> whether 250 or 500 is best with the PAF?
>
> Any experience and views welcome
>
> regards
>
> Don from Down Under
>
>
On my own MIA I have tried hotter bridge pups but still
liked the Dimarzio Area T in the neck (which is not a hot pickup
but a great sounding single coil humless)
Anyways.. I found that the usual one tone pot of the Tele
with 250k didn't work -- so my own experience is to use
a 300k tone pot. You can get them all over the place and in
fact Gibson used 300k pots for a long while.
So I installed 300K CTS pots (they have the ribbed shaft and
not the usual solid tele shaft but that doesn't matter as the
little lock screw on the tele knobs don't care if they are grabbing
a solid shaft or a ribbed one).
So my setup is 300k volume and 300k tone and .033 cap
although the standard .047 tone cap works well too.
I do not use any 'treble bleed' resistor or cap on the volume pot
but have tried .001 and it seems to work ok but I actually like
a little treble roll off when I roll back the volume to sit in
the rhythm mix with the Tele.
The 500k pot works ok with the hotter bridge but it makes
the DiMarzio Area T neck way too shrill and ruins all the
great tone of the neck alone and the neck+bridge (a real favorite of mine)
I really like using both volume and tone 300k CTS pots for the Tele.
The 300k just works perfect for the Area T and hotter bridge - at least
bridge pups up to 9k get along well with this setup.
If you use 500k tone pot - good luck - because you will then
need some overwound single coil or rail pickup in the neck because
a nice single coil sized pup like the Area T is not going to like the 500k pot.
ok. hopefully I actually made some sense here but that's my own experience
with wiring up standard 3 way switch and one tone and one volume Tele's.
I can't say about the 5 way switch option on a 2 pickup tele.
I had it that way one time and hated it because I just kept
coming back to the standard neck alone, neck+bridge parallel and bridge only.
All the other 'out of phase' was crap.
The only time I would use a 5 way is if you have a Nashville tele setup
with 3 pickups (usually a strat type single coil pickup in the middle).
that's my 2 cents.
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Re: PAF Classic Humbucker on tele - Adams661 - 21:19 07-11-08
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On Nov 7, 1:55=A0am, "Don" <mackie....@bigpond.com> wrote:
> Folks
>
> I have recently fitted a tone zone t as the bridge pickup on my mia tele
> (fantastic). =A0I have left the neck pickup standard (or as it came) and
> intend to put the Dimarzio PAF Classic as a third pick up (middle) and wa=
s
> wondering whether its worth putting a 5 way switch and set it for out of
> phase etc. =A0However, my question relates to the best tone pots. =A0Wond=
ering
> whether 250 or 500 is best with the PAF?
>
> Any experience and views welcome
>
> regards
>
> Don from Down Under
There is no hard and fast rules concerning pickups ,caps and pots.
Use whatever the hell sounds good to you. Too much fussing around
with values turns into splitting hairs anyway.
Squier. The difference between a 250K pot and a 300K pot is negligable
at best. I've used 1 meg pots with single coils that sounded great.
You just need to use a cap that gets the tone to where you like it.
Unlike some of you guys. I dont give a rats ass for rules or somebody
elses opinions. It's not hard to get good sounds out of a guitar using
5 meg pots mixed with a 25K and any type of pickups you want. I've
done it when it was all I had handy and was anxious to get the guitar
running. Change of subject because I want to change it. I've
found that the best place to use a Tele bridge pickup is in the middle
position of a 3 pickup guitar. They sound amazingly sweet when used
there. Humbucker at the bridge,Tele bridge in the middle, either a
Tele neck or a Strat type single coil pickup in the neck position. Too
sweet. The singles dont have to be genuine Fender junk either. Any
junk will work just as well.. If you dont believe it then at least try
it so you know what you're talking about before you disagree.
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Re: PAF Classic Humbucker on tele - RichL - 21:38 07-11-08
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Adams661 <keithadams@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Change of subject because I want to change it. I've
> found that the best place to use a Tele bridge pickup is in the middle
> position of a 3 pickup guitar. They sound amazingly sweet when used
> there. Humbucker at the bridge,Tele bridge in the middle, either a
> Tele neck or a Strat type single coil pickup in the neck position. Too
> sweet. The singles dont have to be genuine Fender junk either. Any
> junk will work just as well.. If you dont believe it then at least try
> it so you know what you're talking about before you disagree.
Yup. Very sweet sound. You need a fairly high-resistance pot to get
the most out of it.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u267/rpleavitt/Rickenbacker450.jpg
DiMarzio (late '70s) overwound Tele bridge pickups in both bridge and
middle positions; original Rickenbacker toaster pickup in the neck
position. It sounded like dogshit with a 250K volume pot, however.
Swapped it out for a 500K pot, added a treble bypass, and she sings very
sweetly! If anything, the neck pickup sounds a bit too bright, but the
500K works great with both Tele pickups.
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Re: PAF Classic Humbucker on tele - Mark Bedingfield - 21:59 07-11-08
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RichL wrote:
> Adams661 <keithadams@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Change of subject because I want to change it. I've
>> found that the best place to use a Tele bridge pickup is in the middle
>> position of a 3 pickup guitar. They sound amazingly sweet when used
>> there. Humbucker at the bridge,Tele bridge in the middle, either a
>> Tele neck or a Strat type single coil pickup in the neck position. Too
>> sweet. The singles dont have to be genuine Fender junk either. Any
>> junk will work just as well.. If you dont believe it then at least try
>> it so you know what you're talking about before you disagree.
>
> Yup. Very sweet sound. You need a fairly high-resistance pot to get
> the most out of it.
>
> http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u267/rpleavitt/Rickenbacker450.jpg
>
> DiMarzio (late '70s) overwound Tele bridge pickups in both bridge and
> middle positions; original Rickenbacker toaster pickup in the neck
> position. It sounded like dogshit with a 250K volume pot, however.
> Swapped it out for a 500K pot, added a treble bypass, and she sings very
> sweetly! If anything, the neck pickup sounds a bit too bright, but the
> 500K works great with both Tele pickups.
>
>
They're Tele pups? Why only 2 mounting holes? Odd.
I'm keen to modify my bastardcaster now. SSH Tele me thinks. Mow to find
a damned guard....
Mark
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Re: PAF Classic Humbucker on tele - Squier - 22:14 07-11-08
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> Adams661 <keithadams@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 1:55 am, "Don" <mackie....@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > Folks
> >
> > I have recently fitted a tone zone t as the bridge pickup on my mia tele
> > (fantastic). I have left the neck pickup standard (or as it came) and
> > intend to put the Dimarzio PAF Classic as a third pick up (middle) and was
> > wondering whether its worth putting a 5 way switch and set it for out of
> > phase etc. However, my question relates to the best tone pots. Wondering
> > whether 250 or 500 is best with the PAF?
> >
> > Any experience and views welcome
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Don from Down Under
>
> There is no hard and fast rules concerning pickups ,caps and pots.
> Use whatever the hell sounds good to you. Too much fussing around
> with values turns into splitting hairs anyway.
> Squier. The difference between a 250K pot and a 300K pot is negligable
> at best. I've used 1 meg pots with single coils that sounded great.
> You just need to use a cap that gets the tone to where you like it.
> Unlike some of you guys. I dont give a rats ass for rules or somebody
> elses opinions. It's not hard to get good sounds out of a guitar using
> 5 meg pots mixed with a 25K and any type of pickups you want. I've
> done it when it was all I had handy and was anxious to get the guitar
> running. Change of subject because I want to change it. I've
> found that the best place to use a Tele bridge pickup is in the middle
> position of a 3 pickup guitar. They sound amazingly sweet when used
> there. Humbucker at the bridge,Tele bridge in the middle, either a
> Tele neck or a Strat type single coil pickup in the neck position. Too
> sweet. The singles dont have to be genuine Fender junk either. Any
> junk will work just as well.. If you dont believe it then at least try
> it so you know what you're talking about before you disagree.
>
>
I do agree with you about using nearly any pot value and then
you can tweak it with various cap and resistor values.
But I don't quite agree about negliigable difference between
the stock fender 250k pots and the 300k CTS pots I used.
If I couldn't notice a difference then I wouldn't have bothered
to use them or even comment about using them.
Although what might have happened is that the 250k pots actually
might have measured 200k (which happens a lot) and the 300k pots
actually came in at 350k or more.
I know I have seen a tech measure a bunch of 500k pots and
the values were all over the place from nearly 400k to near 600k.
(he actually keeps them labeled in a drawer and only a handful of
the 500k pots actually measured between 490 - 520k).
So who knows.
But yes - you can take a 1 meg pot and with caps and resistors
make it into any sort of value you want.
The only thing is that you can't make a lower value 250k behave like a
higher rated 1 meg pot. You can go high to low with caps/resistors
but not low to high.
I have never tried using a telecaster bridge pup in a middle position
of any guitar so that's a cool idea for me to try out one day.
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Re: PAF Classic Humbucker on tele - RichL - 22:27 07-11-08
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Mark Bedingfield <atari030@nomorespampleaseoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> RichL wrote:
>> Adams661 <keithadams@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Change of subject because I want to change it. I've
>>> found that the best place to use a Tele bridge pickup is in the
>>> middle position of a 3 pickup guitar. They sound amazingly sweet
>>> when used there. Humbucker at the bridge,Tele bridge in the middle,
>>> either a Tele neck or a Strat type single coil pickup in the neck
>>> position. Too sweet. The singles dont have to be genuine Fender
>>> junk either. Any junk will work just as well.. If you dont believe
>>> it then at least try it so you know what you're talking about
>>> before you disagree.
>>
>> Yup. Very sweet sound. You need a fairly high-resistance pot to get
>> the most out of it.
>>
>> http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u267/rpleavitt/Rickenbacker450.jpg
>>
>> DiMarzio (late '70s) overwound Tele bridge pickups in both bridge and
>> middle positions; original Rickenbacker toaster pickup in the neck
>> position. It sounded like dogshit with a 250K volume pot, however.
>> Swapped it out for a 500K pot, added a treble bypass, and she sings
>> very sweetly! If anything, the neck pickup sounds a bit too bright,
>> but the 500K works great with both Tele pickups.
>>
>>
> They're Tele pups? Why only 2 mounting holes? Odd.
Geez it's been almost 30 years since I put them in. Can't say I
remember the details, I think DiMarzio was a brand-new company then and
I saw the pickups in a display at my local mom & pop store and figured
I'd give them a shot. I do remember them being called "Hot Teles"
though. They're twangy (especially in the bridge position), not
Strat-like at all really, but they've got a bit more midrange than
typical Tele pickups. Still with a bit of EQ tweaking on the amp I can
make that bridge pickup sound like the real thing.
> I'm keen to modify my bastardcaster now. SSH Tele me thinks. Mow to
> find a damned guard....
I've been through three pickguards on that guitar and I'm still not all
that happy with what I've got. The one that's on there now is a bit
garish for my tastes, but more important it's really flimsy. It flexes
too easily. But then again, so does the neck ;-)
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Re: PAF Classic Humbucker on tele - RichL - 22:29 07-11-08
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Squier <squier@strats.net> wrote:
>> Adams661 <keithadams@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 7, 1:55 am, "Don" <mackie....@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>> Folks
>>>
>>> I have recently fitted a tone zone t as the bridge pickup on my mia
>>> tele (fantastic). I have left the neck pickup standard (or as it
>>> came) and intend to put the Dimarzio PAF Classic as a third pick up
>>> (middle) and was wondering whether its worth putting a 5 way switch
>>> and set it for out of phase etc. However, my question relates to
>>> the best tone pots. Wondering whether 250 or 500 is best with the
>>> PAF?
>>>
>>> Any experience and views welcome
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> Don from Down Under
>>
>> There is no hard and fast rules concerning pickups ,caps and pots.
>> Use whatever the hell sounds good to you. Too much fussing around
>> with values turns into splitting hairs anyway.
>> Squier. The difference between a 250K pot and a 300K pot is
>> negligable at best. I've used 1 meg pots with single coils that
>> sounded great. You just need to use a cap that gets the tone to
>> where you like it. Unlike some of you guys. I dont give a rats ass
>> for rules or somebody elses opinions. It's not hard to get good
>> sounds out of a guitar using 5 meg pots mixed with a 25K and any
>> type of pickups you want. I've done it when it was all I had handy
>> and was anxious to get the guitar running. Change of subject
>> because I want to change it. I've found that the best place to use a
>> Tele bridge pickup is in the middle position of a 3 pickup guitar.
>> They sound amazingly sweet when used there. Humbucker at the
>> bridge,Tele bridge in the middle, either a Tele neck or a Strat type
>> single coil pickup in the neck position. Too sweet. The singles dont
>> have to be genuine Fender junk either. Any junk will work just as
>> well.. If you dont believe it then at least try it so you know what
>> you're talking about before you disagree.
>>
>>
>
> I do agree with you about using nearly any pot value and then
> you can tweak it with various cap and resistor values.
> But I don't quite agree about negliigable difference between
> the stock fender 250k pots and the 300k CTS pots I used.
> If I couldn't notice a difference then I wouldn't have bothered
> to use them or even comment about using them.
> Although what might have happened is that the 250k pots actually
> might have measured 200k (which happens a lot) and the 300k pots
> actually came in at 350k or more.
You're probably right. 20% tolerances are typical, and I doubt the
human ear would sense significant differences between 250 and 300K.
> I know I have seen a tech measure a bunch of 500k pots and
> the values were all over the place from nearly 400k to near 600k.
> (he actually keeps them labeled in a drawer and only a handful of
> the 500k pots actually measured between 490 - 520k).
> So who knows.
> But yes - you can take a 1 meg pot and with caps and resistors
> make it into any sort of value you want.
> The only thing is that you can't make a lower value 250k behave like a
> higher rated 1 meg pot. You can go high to low with caps/resistors
> but not low to high.
>
> I have never tried using a telecaster bridge pup in a middle position
> of any guitar so that's a cool idea for me to try out one day.
I like the pot values fairly high; like you say it's hard to make muddy
sound bright, but it's a lot easier going the other way.
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