Re: 1974 Standard Gibson SG dilemma - Patrick Keenan - 9-:30 -0-09-20
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"Lu R" <whome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "boardjunkie" <boardjunkie@techie.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 30, 9:01 am, "Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Its genuine USA. I got a quote to repair the hardware and pickups alone
>> for
>> $800..will I get my money back? Thanks in advance. :)
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> Care to show me that quote? Jumpin' jesus....
>
> Sure ! It goes something like this..new bridge and tailpiece = $240 new
> pickups $440 new bone nut $80 add some labour component to that and
> there's $800!! That still doesnt address the neck that may be coming apart
> at the base deal which has been the cause of my tuning problem for years
> either.. I love my LP Epi..built like a brick shit house sings like a
> lady.
A bone nut shouldn't be more $75 or so, and must include a setup (which
will be extra). $440 is wildly high, and must be including some extras -
like a complete refret and neck refinish.
If the neck joint is unstable, don't do any other work without having that
fixed - first.
For reference and comparison, this page has some pretty ordinary rates for
quality work:
http://www.12fret.com/shop/index.html
HTH
-pk
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Re: 1974 Standard Gibson SG dilemma - Lawrence Logic - 9-:30 -0-09-20
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"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
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> "Lu R" <whome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4ac40d9b$0$1157$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
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>> "boardjunkie" <boardjunkie@techie.com> wrote in message
>> news:ec74ecf3-7f90-4745-be9f-46cd04888563@e8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 30, 9:01 am, "Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Its genuine USA. I got a quote to repair the hardware and pickups alone
>>> for
>>> $800..will I get my money back? Thanks in advance. :)
>>
>> Care to show me that quote? Jumpin' jesus....
>>
>> Sure ! It goes something like this..new bridge and tailpiece = $240 new
>> pickups $440 new bone nut $80 add some labour component to that and
>> there's $800!! That still doesnt address the neck that may be coming
>> apart at the base deal which has been the cause of my tuning problem for
>> years either.. I love my LP Epi..built like a brick shit house sings like
>> a lady.
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> A bone nut shouldn't be more $75 or so, and must include a setup (which
> will be extra). $440 is wildly high, and must be including some extras -
> like a complete refret and neck refinish.
>
> If the neck joint is unstable, don't do any other work without having that
> fixed - first.
>
> For reference and comparison, this page has some pretty ordinary rates for
> quality work:
> http://www.12fret.com/shop/index.html
>
You fell for the poor formatting and lack of punctuation like I initially
did. The bone nut is $80. $440 was for pickups and $240 was for bridge and
tailpiece.
--
Lawrence
"Butters, we're done talking about girls' balls right now. Pay
attention!" - Eric Cartman - 14 November 2007
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Re: 1974 Standard Gibson SG dilemma - Lu R - 0-:01 -1-09-20
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"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
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> "Lu R" <whome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4ac356b7$0$5420$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Hi folks..I've recently upgraded to a epiphone les paul standard and its
>> just lovely! I've owned my SG with scalloped neck!..purchased that way,,
>> for some 30 years and in my younger days replaced the tail piece and
>> bridge with a one piece schaller bridge.. duhh..to do that meant I had to
>> redrill the mounting holes for it..and patch up the holes..ugly mess
>> there. I also replaced the nut with a brass one..and replaced the pickups
>> with original '82 bill lawrence twin blade pickups. XL500's..I never
>> liked the sound I got from the BL's btw..and always had staying in tune
>> problems with the beast but I stuck to it like a faithful husband..it
>> still has original Gibson tuning gears which seem fine no slack..the neck
>> is straight..the back of the neck seems to have suffered some form of
>> meltdown in the laquer dept..just normal use or what?? BIG QUESTION...is
>> it worth my while restoring this SG to its original condition with maybe
>> a relaquer or do I toss it in the bin? Its genuine USA. I got a quote to
>> repair the hardware and pickups alone for $800..will I get my money back?
>> Thanks in advance. :)
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> Generally speaking, if you put money into this, it will stay there, and
> you will never get it back.
>
> Generally speaking, refinishes on guitars with histories like this are a
> waste of money - and I say that having been paid to do many. It will
> cost hundreds of dollars and won't add much of any value.
>
> Tuning problems are a matter of setup. It can even be that it's never
> been properly intonated, and hence never *got* in tune anywhere but in one
> position. This can be a result of a mis-positioned bridge, as you've
> had it replaced; it can also be that the pickups are too high, and prevent
> accurate tuning.
>
> I'll suggest starting here: Unplug the guitar, and play it. Do you like
> the feel, is it resonant, does it sound good acoustically? If so, take
> it to a decent tech, and try various guitars with different pickups to
> find ones you do like. Pay to have the guitar cleaned up and set up
> *properly*, with the bridge moved into the correct position if that's
> what's causing the tuning problems. Have the new pickups put in
> temporarily, on approval - it is possible to temporarily install them
> (with clip leads) to get a very good idea of how they sound, without
> committing to cutting the cables to length and soldering. If they don't
> sound right, they can go right back in the box.
>
Thanx Patrick. Sounds like the wtg. I just wonder if my original SG 74
pickups were good to start and I misconceived that thinking hotter pickups
means better. I did own a terrible amp back then too.. a Fender Super Twin..
ughhh lol.. 180 watts of pure NONTONE..
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Re: 1974 Standard Gibson SG dilemma - Lu R - 0-:01 -1-09-20
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"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
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> "Lu R" <whome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4ac40d9b$0$1157$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
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>> "boardjunkie" <boardjunkie@techie.com> wrote in message
>> news:ec74ecf3-7f90-4745-be9f-46cd04888563@e8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 30, 9:01 am, "Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Its genuine USA. I got a quote to repair the hardware and pickups alone
>>> for
>>> $800..will I get my money back? Thanks in advance. :)
>>
>> Care to show me that quote? Jumpin' jesus....
>>
>> Sure ! It goes something like this..new bridge and tailpiece = $240 new
>> pickups $440 new bone nut $80 add some labour component to that and
>> there's $800!! That still doesnt address the neck that may be coming
>> apart at the base deal which has been the cause of my tuning problem for
>> years either.. I love my LP Epi..built like a brick shit house sings like
>> a lady.
>
> A bone nut shouldn't be more $75 or so, and must include a setup (which
> will be extra). $440 is wildly high, and must be including some extras -
> like a complete refret and neck refinish.
>
> If the neck joint is unstable, don't do any other work without having that
> fixed - first.
How can I tell if its unstable? I can see the glue has lifted a little from
the seam that's all. The neck is straight.
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Re: 1974 Standard Gibson SG dilemma - Greendistantstar - 0-:01 -1-09-20
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Lu R wrote:
> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
> news:N9mdneYLbKiKvVnXnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@supernews.com...
>> "Lu R" <whome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4ac40d9b$0$1157$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>> "boardjunkie" <boardjunkie@techie.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ec74ecf3-7f90-4745-be9f-46cd04888563@e8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 30, 9:01 am, "Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Its genuine USA. I got a quote to repair the hardware and pickups alone
>>>> for
>>>> $800..will I get my money back? Thanks in advance. :)
>>> Care to show me that quote? Jumpin' jesus....
>>>
>>> Sure ! It goes something like this..new bridge and tailpiece = $240 new
>>> pickups $440 new bone nut $80 add some labour component to that and
>>> there's $800!! That still doesnt address the neck that may be coming
>>> apart at the base deal which has been the cause of my tuning problem for
>>> years either.. I love my LP Epi..built like a brick shit house sings like
>>> a lady.
>> A bone nut shouldn't be more $75 or so, and must include a setup (which
>> will be extra). $440 is wildly high, and must be including some extras -
>> like a complete refret and neck refinish.
>>
>> If the neck joint is unstable, don't do any other work without having that
>> fixed - first.
>
> How can I tell if its unstable? I can see the glue has lifted a little from
> the seam that's all. The neck is straight.
This might be of interest:
http://www.edroman.com/rants/les_paul_necks.htm
GDS
"Let's roll!"
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Re: 1974 Standard Gibson SG dilemma - Lu R - 0-:01 -1-09-20
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"Greendistantstar" <Greendistantstar@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Lu R wrote:
>> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
>> news:N9mdneYLbKiKvVnXnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@supernews.com...
>>> "Lu R" <whome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4ac40d9b$0$1157$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>> "boardjunkie" <boardjunkie@techie.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ec74ecf3-7f90-4745-be9f-46cd04888563@e8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Sep 30, 9:01 am, "Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Its genuine USA. I got a quote to repair the hardware and pickups
>>>>> alone for
>>>>> $800..will I get my money back? Thanks in advance. :)
>>>> Care to show me that quote? Jumpin' jesus....
>>>>
>>>> Sure ! It goes something like this..new bridge and tailpiece = $240 new
>>>> pickups $440 new bone nut $80 add some labour component to that and
>>>> there's $800!! That still doesnt address the neck that may be coming
>>>> apart at the base deal which has been the cause of my tuning problem
>>>> for years either.. I love my LP Epi..built like a brick shit house
>>>> sings like a lady.
>>> A bone nut shouldn't be more $75 or so, and must include a setup (which
>>> will be extra). $440 is wildly high, and must be including some
>>> extras - like a complete refret and neck refinish.
>>>
>>> If the neck joint is unstable, don't do any other work without having
>>> that fixed - first.
>>
>> How can I tell if its unstable? I can see the glue has lifted a little
>> from the seam that's all. The neck is straight.
>
> This might be of interest:
>
> http://www.edroman.com/rants/les_paul_necks.htm
>
> GDS
>
> "Let's roll!"
WOW! Thanks for that..explains everything now. Damn SG neck was never made
to handle the string pressures involved.
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Re: 1974 Standard Gibson SG dilemma - Jonathan - 0-:01 -1-09-20
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"Lu R" wrote:
> I just wonder if my original SG 74
> pickups were good to start and I misconceived that thinking hotter pickups
> means better.
I have an SG I bought the same year, and my recollection is that the
original pickups were nothing special.
I ended up with the "standard" late-70s replacement set of a DiMarzio
PAF in the neck position and a Super Distortion in the bridge position.
Few years after that added a single-coil in the middle. It's been a
versatile instrument over the years since, though these days I would
have put something more subtle in the bridge position.
-- Jon
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"Coloured and animated, the concerts and spectacles are as
many invitations to discover the universes of musicians and
artists who tint with happiness our reality."
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Re: 1974 Standard Gibson SG dilemma - rct - 0-:01 -1-09-20
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Lu R wrote:
> WOW! Thanks for that..explains everything now. Damn SG neck was never made
> to handle the string pressures involved.
Yes, of course. That's why half the records that lunatic Roman
listens to were recorded and toured using SGs.
rct
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Re: 1974 Standard Gibson SG dilemma - Daniel Dreibelbis - 0-:01 -1-09-20
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Re: 1974 Standard Gibson SG dilemma - Greendistantstar - 0-:01 -1-09-20
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Daniel Dreibelbis wrote:
> On 2009-10-01 02:37:25 -0400, Greendistantstar
> <Greendistantstar@iinet.net.au> said:
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>>> How can I tell if its unstable? I can see the glue has lifted a
>>> little from the seam that's all. The neck is straight.
>>
>> This might be of interest:
>>
>> http://www.edroman.com/rants/les_paul_necks.htm
>
> ah yes, Ed Roman - Comedy website of the year. Just ask EB/MM why
> they no longer deal with this guy.
I didn't say I was supporting everything that Ed Roman said; it was
merely provided as a counterpoint and possible cause.
Think what you will of Roman, he knows his stuff, and he and his guys
make some great guitars.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
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