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Sweetwater Gearfest - mercutio - 6-:28 -0-09-20
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The wife and I went to Gearfest on Saturday. We spent the day looking
at all the different guitar vendors booths ( Gibson, Fender, Taylor,
Vox, Ibanez, Gretsch PRS) amplifier vendors (Vox, Marshal, Fender ,
Line 6). tons of vendors with synth software and midi keyboards plus
lots stand alone synths.
I was appalled at the price of most of the guitars. While I
personally have paid way too much in the past this was just crazy.
There were very few really nice guitars for less than 2k. Everything
we looked at was in the $2500- $3000 ( altho there werea couple of
$1900 PRS and 2 $2100 Les Pauls). There were also alot of $3500 plus
guitars with prices up to $6k And 7K in all the lines,
Once again the high point was watching Greg Koch give a 45 minute
seminar on the Fender Vintage Mocified Amps (OK but not "I goota have
1 " impressed) and the Fender Road Worn Guitars ( the whole idea
baffles the hell out of me) But he was great and incredibly
entertaining, The wife is a fan so she took the video camera and
taped most of it. I will post some to you tube but first want to
email him and get permission. Will let you know when it goes up.
All in all a fun and educational experience. Clean, well organized
and pleasant. People there from In, OH, NY, MI, and PA that I know of.
Maybe next year some of you folks here can attend. ( If anyone were
interested would be glad to offer any assistance I could)
Jim
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Re: Sweetwater Gearfest - dvaoa - 6-:28 -0-09-20
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On Jun 28, 9:08=A0am, mercutio <jim013...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The wife and I went to Gearfest on Saturday. We spent the day looking
> at all =A0the different guitar vendors booths ( Gibson, Fender, Taylor,
> Vox, Ibanez, Gretsch PRS) amplifier vendors (Vox, Marshal, Fender ,
> Line 6). tons of vendors with =A0synth software and midi keyboards =A0plu=
s
> lots stand alone synths. =A0
> I was appalled at the price =A0of most of the guitars. While I
> personally have paid way too much in the past this was just crazy.
> There were very few really nice guitars for less than 2k. Everything
> we =A0looked at was in the $2500- $3000 ( altho there werea couple of
> $1900 PRS and 2 =A0$2100 Les Pauls). There were also alot of $3500 plus
> guitars =A0with prices up to $6k And 7K in all the lines,
>
> Once again the high point was watching Greg Koch =A0give =A0a 45 minute
> seminar on the Fender Vintage =A0Mocified Amps (OK but not "I goota have
> 1 " impressed) =A0and the Fender Road Worn Guitars ( the whole idea
> baffles the hell out of me) But he was great and incredibly
> entertaining, =A0The wife is a fan so she took the video camera and
> taped =A0most of it. I will post some to you tube but first want to
> email him =A0and get permission. Will let you know when it goes up.
>
> All in all =A0a fun and educational experience. =A0Clean, well organized
> and pleasant. People there from In, OH, NY, MI, and PA that I know of.
> Maybe next year some of you folks here can attend. ( If anyone were
> interested would be glad to offer any assistance I could)
>
> Jim
My thought is...if you have $2k or more to burn, spend it on a good
amp. I'd never spend more than $500-$1000 on a guitar.
-d
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Re: Sweetwater Gearfest - Sac Dave - 6-:28 -0-09-20
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"dvaoa" <dvaoa@altavista.com> wrote in message
news:028f253a-a767-4573-8723-edd96704a613@g4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 28, 9:08 am, mercutio <jim013...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The wife and I went to Gearfest on Saturday. We spent the day looking
> at all the different guitar vendors booths ( Gibson, Fender, Taylor,
> Vox, Ibanez, Gretsch PRS) amplifier vendors (Vox, Marshal, Fender ,
> Line 6). tons of vendors with synth software and midi keyboards plus
> lots stand alone synths.
> I was appalled at the price of most of the guitars. While I
> personally have paid way too much in the past this was just crazy.
> There were very few really nice guitars for less than 2k. Everything
> we looked at was in the $2500- $3000 ( altho there werea couple of
> $1900 PRS and 2 $2100 Les Pauls). There were also alot of $3500 plus
> guitars with prices up to $6k And 7K in all the lines,
>
> Once again the high point was watching Greg Koch give a 45 minute
> seminar on the Fender Vintage Mocified Amps (OK but not "I goota have
> 1 " impressed) and the Fender Road Worn Guitars ( the whole idea
> baffles the hell out of me) But he was great and incredibly
> entertaining, The wife is a fan so she took the video camera and
> taped most of it. I will post some to you tube but first want to
> email him and get permission. Will let you know when it goes up.
>
> All in all a fun and educational experience. Clean, well organized
> and pleasant. People there from In, OH, NY, MI, and PA that I know of.
> Maybe next year some of you folks here can attend. ( If anyone were
> interested would be glad to offer any assistance I could)
>
> Jim
My thought is...if you have $2k or more to burn, spend it on a good
amp. I'd never spend more than $500-$1000 on a guitar.
-d
The way I look at it there are a lot of people that can and will spend
2K or well over 2K they are the same type people that throw down $100 bills
at a crap table when your hoping to win $100. If people would not spend it
they would not ask that price. Myself I spent close to 3K on a Breedlove
(2005) but now that's the first acoustic guitar I've bought ( parents')
since 1963 so I did have some time to save. Now amps I did spend over 2K on
my custom Fargen money well spent guitars you can find killer electrics for
$500 Killer amps for $500 good luck.
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Re: Sweetwater Gearfest - bg - 6-:28 -0-09-20
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mercutio wrote in message ...
>The wife and I went to Gearfest on Saturday. We spent the day looking
>at all the different guitar vendors booths ( Gibson, Fender, Taylor,
>Vox, Ibanez, Gretsch PRS) amplifier vendors (Vox, Marshal, Fender ,
>Line 6). tons of vendors with synth software and midi keyboards plus
>lots stand alone synths.
>I was appalled at the price of most of the guitars. While I
>personally have paid way too much in the past this was just crazy.
>There were very few really nice guitars for less than 2k. Everything
>we looked at was in the $2500- $3000 ( altho there werea couple of
>$1900 PRS and 2 $2100 Les Pauls). There were also alot of $3500 plus
>guitars with prices up to $6k And 7K in all the lines,
>
>Once again the high point was watching Greg Koch give a 45 minute
>seminar on the Fender Vintage Mocified Amps (OK but not "I goota have
>1 " impressed) and the Fender Road Worn Guitars ( the whole idea
>baffles the hell out of me) But he was great and incredibly
>entertaining, The wife is a fan so she took the video camera and
>taped most of it. I will post some to you tube but first want to
>email him and get permission. Will let you know when it goes up.
>
>All in all a fun and educational experience. Clean, well organized
>and pleasant. People there from In, OH, NY, MI, and PA that I know of.
>Maybe next year some of you folks here can attend. ( If anyone were
>interested would be glad to offer any assistance I could)
>
>
>Jim
>
>
A long time ago, I heard that inflation doubles the cost of everything,
every ten years. I've lived long enough to see that prove to be true, and
I've always used that rule to estimate where prices will be or should be. I
bought my first SG for $330 back around 1964. The ten year rule tells me
that the same guitar should be about $7000 in 2009. I've seen new SG's go
for that and more. Just about all guitars, Strats, Less Pauls, etc, from
that era were priced very similiar, and I would expect to be paying several
thousand in todays market for any of those models. So , when I see new
guitars selling for 300 bucks ????? Something has got to be missing, cheaper
materials, cheaper labor, mass produced, inferior knock offs? I hate to be
the kind of person that buys my jeans just because of the label, but when I
see the same product 40 years later selling for the same price, I know it is
not the same product.
bg
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Re: Sweetwater Gearfest - dvaoa - 6-:28 -0-09-20
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On Jun 28, 2:05=A0pm, "bg" <b...@nospam.com> wrote:
> mercutio wrote in message ...
> >The wife and I went to Gearfest on Saturday. We spent the day looking
> >at all =A0the different guitar vendors booths ( Gibson, Fender, Taylor,
> >Vox, Ibanez, Gretsch PRS) amplifier vendors (Vox, Marshal, Fender ,
> >Line 6). tons of vendors with =A0synth software and midi keyboards =A0pl=
us
> >lots stand alone synths.
> >I was appalled at the price =A0of most of the guitars. While I
> >personally have paid way too much in the past this was just crazy.
> >There were very few really nice guitars for less than 2k. Everything
> >we =A0looked at was in the $2500- $3000 ( altho there werea couple of
> >$1900 PRS and 2 =A0$2100 Les Pauls). There were also alot of $3500 plus
> >guitars =A0with prices up to $6k And 7K in all the lines,
>
> >Once again the high point was watching Greg Koch =A0give =A0a 45 minute
> >seminar on the Fender Vintage =A0Mocified Amps (OK but not "I goota have
> >1 " impressed) =A0and the Fender Road Worn Guitars ( the whole idea
> >baffles the hell out of me) But he was great and incredibly
> >entertaining, =A0The wife is a fan so she took the video camera and
> >taped =A0most of it. I will post some to you tube but first want to
> >email him =A0and get permission. Will let you know when it goes up.
>
> >All in all =A0a fun and educational experience. =A0Clean, well organized
> >and pleasant. People there from In, OH, NY, MI, and PA that I know of.
> >Maybe next year some of you folks here can attend. ( If anyone were
> >interested would be glad to offer any assistance I could)
>
> >Jim
>
> A long time ago, I heard that inflation doubles the cost of everything,
> every ten years. I've lived long enough to see that prove to be true, and
> I've always used that rule to estimate where prices will be or should be.=
=A0I
> bought my first SG for $330 back around 1964. The ten year rule tells me
> that the same guitar should be about $7000 in 2009. I've seen new SG's go
> for that and more. Just about all guitars, Strats, Less Pauls, etc, from
> that era were priced very similiar, and I would expect to be paying sever=
al
> thousand in todays market for any of those models. So , when I see new
> guitars selling for 300 bucks ????? Something has got to be missing, chea=
per
> materials, cheaper labor, mass produced, inferior knock offs? I hate to b=
e
> the kind of person that buys my jeans just because of the label, but when=
I
> see the same product 40 years later selling for the same price, I know it=
is
> not the same product.
> bg
A veteran luthier told once that right before the Beatles made it over
to the US, guitar sales were few and far between...they weren't a
lifestyle necessity. Woods chosen for guitars were (allegedly)
seasoned naturally over the course of years instead of kiln-dried or
even barely seasoned like cheap guitars are today. After the Beatles,
sales of guitars shot through the roof, and the available supply of
wood quickly dried up (pun intended). Enter mass production, green
woods, woods dried too quickly, etc. The luthier seems to think
that's why guitars today have so many issues with frets popping out,
buzzing, etc.
-d
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Re: Sweetwater Gearfest - Les Cargill - 6-:28 -0-09-20
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bg wrote:
> mercutio wrote in message ...
>> The wife and I went to Gearfest on Saturday. We spent the day looking
>> at all the different guitar vendors booths ( Gibson, Fender, Taylor,
>> Vox, Ibanez, Gretsch PRS) amplifier vendors (Vox, Marshal, Fender ,
>> Line 6). tons of vendors with synth software and midi keyboards plus
>> lots stand alone synths.
>> I was appalled at the price of most of the guitars. While I
>> personally have paid way too much in the past this was just crazy.
>> There were very few really nice guitars for less than 2k. Everything
>> we looked at was in the $2500- $3000 ( altho there werea couple of
>> $1900 PRS and 2 $2100 Les Pauls). There were also alot of $3500 plus
>> guitars with prices up to $6k And 7K in all the lines,
>>
>> Once again the high point was watching Greg Koch give a 45 minute
>> seminar on the Fender Vintage Mocified Amps (OK but not "I goota have
>> 1 " impressed) and the Fender Road Worn Guitars ( the whole idea
>> baffles the hell out of me) But he was great and incredibly
>> entertaining, The wife is a fan so she took the video camera and
>> taped most of it. I will post some to you tube but first want to
>> email him and get permission. Will let you know when it goes up.
>>
>> All in all a fun and educational experience. Clean, well organized
>> and pleasant. People there from In, OH, NY, MI, and PA that I know of.
>> Maybe next year some of you folks here can attend. ( If anyone were
>> interested would be glad to offer any assistance I could)
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
> A long time ago, I heard that inflation doubles the cost of everything,
> every ten years. I've lived long enough to see that prove to be true, and
> I've always used that rule to estimate where prices will be or should be. I
> bought my first SG for $330 back around 1964. The ten year rule tells me
> that the same guitar should be about $7000 in 2009.
$2184.33, not $7000.
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
An SG standard is about half that:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--GIBSGSTD
A very fancy custom is about $4k
http://www.zzounds.com/item--GIBSGCVO
> I've seen new SG's go
> for that and more. Just about all guitars, Strats, Less Pauls, etc, from
> that era were priced very similiar, and I would expect to be paying several
> thousand in todays market for any of those models. So , when I see new
> guitars selling for 300 bucks ????? Something has got to be missing, cheaper
> materials, cheaper labor, mass produced, inferior knock offs?
Most stuff has overall gotten less expensive.
> I hate to be
> the kind of person that buys my jeans just because of the label, but when I
> see the same product 40 years later selling for the same price, I know it is
> not the same product.
> bg
>
>
That may or may not be true.
--
Les Cargill
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