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These pickups? - Tony Done - 6-:27 -0-09-20
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Re: These pickups? - Restless Fingers Syndrome - 6-:27 -0-09-20
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Tony Done wrote:
> This question was in part prompted by adam79's question on replacement
> Squier pickups, but, as some of you might have noticed, I'm interested
> in Sonny Landreth's sound.
Landreth, Gilmour, Slash, E Johnson will sound
the same no matter WTF you place in their hands.
They dial in the tone with fingers and a couple
of knobs.
Having a certain quality starting point helps,
after that it is more skill and ear training
than another set of after market, name sponsored, add ons parts.
The basic guitar hasn't changed in 60 years : plank of
wood and crude magnets.
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Re: These pickups? - Tony Done - 6-:27 -0-09-20
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"Restless Fingers Syndrome" <rfs@itch.com> wrote in message
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> Tony Done wrote:
>> This question was in part prompted by adam79's question on replacement
>> Squier pickups, but, as some of you might have noticed, I'm interested in
>> Sonny Landreth's sound.
>
> Landreth, Gilmour, Slash, E Johnson will sound
> the same no matter WTF you place in their hands.
> They dial in the tone with fingers and a couple
> of knobs.
>
> Having a certain quality starting point helps,
> after that it is more skill and ear training
> than another set of after market, name sponsored, add ons parts.
>
> The basic guitar hasn't changed in 60 years : plank of
> wood and crude magnets.
I think you are good at offering throwaway comments. Do you have anything
more substantial to show why I or anyone else should take notice of you?
Tony D
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Re: These pickups? - Restless Fingers Syndrome - 6-:27 -0-09-20
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Tony Done wrote:
>
>>
>> The basic guitar hasn't changed in 60 years : plank of
>> wood and crude magnets.
>
> I think you are good at offering throwaway comments. Do you have
> anything more substantial to show why I or anyone else should take
> notice of you?
>
>
*plonk*
I think you are mediocre at best ... asking open ended questions with
little relevance .. Of the dozen or more drifters who flow through
here ... how many do you really thing give a shit about Moe, Curry,
Larry, or Sonny's obscure pickups ?
I hate to smash your expectations, but he likely uses pretty stock
stuff, but couldn't pass up the opportunity to put his name
on something. I bet you even watch NASCAR's going around in circles
and believe in the Easter Bunny.
You asked a bunch of strangers about what they thought ... Well you
got it. Plank of wood. Nothing more.
Slow thinkers --> Exit here [] .
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Re: These pickups? - Squier - 6-:27 -0-09-20
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> Restless Fingers Syndrome <rfs@itch.com> wrote:
> Tony Done wrote:
> > This question was in part prompted by adam79's question on replacement
> > Squier pickups, but, as some of you might have noticed, I'm interested
> > in Sonny Landreth's sound.
>
> Landreth, Gilmour, Slash, E Johnson will sound
> the same no matter WTF you place in their hands.
> They dial in the tone with fingers and a couple
> of knobs.
>
> Having a certain quality starting point helps,
> after that it is more skill and ear training
> than another set of after market, name sponsored, add ons parts.
>
> The basic guitar hasn't changed in 60 years : plank of
> wood and crude magnets.
I'd be the first to agree with you about a lot of tones and sounds
are in the players hands/fingers. But Gilmour also played with a
pedal board with pedals that combined would be the price of a summer
cottage at Malibu. He used those pedals extensively.
If he didn't need them then he wouldn't have used them. But he did. Lots of them.
Some people are under the illusion (delusion) that many great players just
"plugged into any amp and can get their signature tones.."
yes - many can - mostly blooze players. Seems that's what you're stuck on.
Any good blooze player can plug into an amp and just crank it up.
instant blues. then it's all a matter of how good and expressive the
player is.
Gilmour's tone alone costs thousands of dollars. And yes - in the right hands
money does buy tones. great ones. Spending is no guarantee - you have to
be a good player to start - and that all begins with player -> guitar -> amp.
Go ahead - take your own guitar and plug into a single channel amp
and do whatever you like - you won't even approach Gilmour's sound.
Now plug into Gilmour's own rig and you still won't sound like him - the way
he plays - but you will get Gilmour tones to fool around with.
Sometimes you confuse 'style' with tones. You can place a Telecaster
into BB Kings hands and have him plug directly into a Twin - and you'll know
it's him playing - but he will not have the same sound/tones. he will
however have the same technique which is as signature as tone.
Too many people confuse playing technique with the actual sounds they get.
Yes - it all mixes into one thing - but they are not the same.
Slash plugged into a Roland Chorus amp will not have that 'slash cranked
marshall tone' but he will still be Slash because of his signature style.
nah... don't tell me gear doesn't make a difference.
The only time gear is minimized is for country cleans and blooze players
and of course lots of pre effects cleaner rock sounds from 50's early 60s etc.
Maybe that's all the experiences you have. That's cool. There's a lifetime in there.
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Re: These pickups? - Squier - 6-:27 -0-09-20
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> Squier <squier@strats.net> wrote:
> > Restless Fingers Syndrome <rfs@itch.com> wrote:
>
> > Tony Done wrote:
> > > This question was in part prompted by adam79's question on replacement
> > > Squier pickups, but, as some of you might have noticed, I'm interested
> > > in Sonny Landreth's sound.
> >
> > Landreth, Gilmour, Slash, E Johnson will sound
> > the same no matter WTF you place in their hands.
> > They dial in the tone with fingers and a couple
> > of knobs.
> >
> > Having a certain quality starting point helps,
> > after that it is more skill and ear training
> > than another set of after market, name sponsored, add ons parts.
> >
> > The basic guitar hasn't changed in 60 years : plank of
> > wood and crude magnets.
>
>
> I'd be the first to agree with you about a lot of tones and sounds
> are in the players hands/fingers. But Gilmour also played with a
> pedal board with pedals that combined would be the price of a summer
> cottage at Malibu. He used those pedals extensively.
> If he didn't need them then he wouldn't have used them. But he did. Lots of them.
> Some people are under the illusion (delusion) that many great players just
> "plugged into any amp and can get their signature tones.."
>
> yes - many can - mostly blooze players. Seems that's what you're stuck on.
> Any good blooze player can plug into an amp and just crank it up.
> instant blues. then it's all a matter of how good and expressive the
> player is.
>
> Gilmour's tone alone costs thousands of dollars. And yes - in the right hands
> money does buy tones. great ones. Spending is no guarantee - you have to
> be a good player to start - and that all begins with player -> guitar -> amp.
>
> Go ahead - take your own guitar and plug into a single channel amp
> and do whatever you like - you won't even approach Gilmour's sound.
> Now plug into Gilmour's own rig and you still won't sound like him - the way
> he plays - but you will get Gilmour tones to fool around with.
>
> Sometimes you confuse 'style' with tones. You can place a Telecaster
> into BB Kings hands and have him plug directly into a Twin - and you'll know
> it's him playing - but he will not have the same sound/tones. he will
> however have the same technique which is as signature as tone.
>
> Too many people confuse playing technique with the actual sounds they get.
> Yes - it all mixes into one thing - but they are not the same.
>
> Slash plugged into a Roland Chorus amp will not have that 'slash cranked
> marshall tone' but he will still be Slash because of his signature style.
>
> nah... don't tell me gear doesn't make a difference.
> The only time gear is minimized is for country cleans and blooze players
> and of course lots of pre effects cleaner rock sounds from 50's early 60s etc.
> Maybe that's all the experiences you have. That's cool. There's a lifetime in there.
oh yeah - forgot to mention - take Slash's wah pedal away and
there goes Slash's signature lead tones.
I am so tired of hearing blooze type players saying how all you ever
need is guitar --> single channel old tube amp.
Yep great for blues and country cleans and tube overdrive sounds.
But sometimes you need a wah or phaser or distortion or some effect.
The great players make all those effects sound seemless.
The beginners take pedals and have them way too obvious sitting on top
of the sound rather than in it. EVH without that MXR 90 - ummm...
don't tell me how Eddie could have got that tone just plugging into the amp.
But yeah - his technique is also signature so he may not sound like Eddie
but you'd know it was him from his _technique_ if he played into some
other rig that might not have him remotely get the same _tones_.
Pro players don't haphazardly put working rigs together.
A lot of time and $$$$$ and thought goes into each component
From amp to effects to speakers.. pickups... guitar.. and so on.
That's their livlihood. A good carpenter doesn't just pick out
any old tool from any old tool box - he has tools that he has selected
and probably paid good money for.
A mechanic can certainly fix the car with any tools but his own
personal tool box might have Snap-ons et al and the best tools he
can buy if his livlihood depends on it.
Or maybe you are in the time warp where Slim Water Jim from
Alabama got on stage and borrowed whatever guitar was there
and plugged into any amp and could play the good blooze.
Yep. But I don't think the OP was referring to this scenario.
Gilmour, Slash.. et al don't simply show up on stage and use
whatever house axes and amps are available and then do a show.
Does this make them weenie weak ass players because they don't
plug straight into any amp that happens to be there? I think not.
Bloooze is for bloooze and strumming cleans is for cleans
and effect driven rock is something completely different.
Even some great jazz players hide a boost pedal in the back of their amp.
Sometimes you think you are just hearing someone playing into
a cranked amp --- and then later on, perhaps through a direct
interview the player tells you that is went through effects that
would cost thousands of dollars into an amp that costs thousands
and then into post effects... that one lead tone cost $30,000
yet it was so well constructed that it sounds just like guitar --> amp.
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Re: These pickups? - Tony Done - 6-:28 -0-09-20
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"Restless Fingers Syndrome" <rfs@foo.ocm> wrote in message
news:4a46c6c9$0$23741$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
> Tony Done wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The basic guitar hasn't changed in 60 years : plank of
>>> wood and crude magnets.
>>
>> I think you are good at offering throwaway comments. Do you have anything
>> more substantial to show why I or anyone else should take notice of you?
>>
>>
> *plonk*
>
> I think you are mediocre at best ... asking open ended questions with
> little relevance .. Of the dozen or more drifters who flow through
> here ... how many do you really thing give a shit about Moe, Curry,
> Larry, or Sonny's obscure pickups ?
>
> I hate to smash your expectations, but he likely uses pretty stock stuff,
> but couldn't pass up the opportunity to put his name
> on something. I bet you even watch NASCAR's going around in circles
> and believe in the Easter Bunny.
>
> You asked a bunch of strangers about what they thought ... Well you got
> it. Plank of wood. Nothing more.
>
> Slow thinkers --> Exit here [] .
>
<grin> I take it you are declining to answer either question. S'OK.
Tony D
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Re: These pickups? - Jim - 6-:28 -0-09-20
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Restless Fingers Syndrome wrote:
> Tony Done wrote:
>> This question was in part prompted by adam79's question on replacement
>> Squier pickups, but, as some of you might have noticed, I'm interested
>> in Sonny Landreth's sound.
>
> Landreth, Gilmour, Slash, E Johnson will sound
> the same no matter WTF you place in their hands.
If you have good ears, you would definitely hear differences if any one
of those guys played different guitars with different pickups, one after
another.
Sure, their style and talent would be there, but they would sound different.
How different? Depends on the amp and your ears.
> They dial in the tone with fingers and a couple
> of knobs.
>
> Having a certain quality starting point helps,
> after that it is more skill and ear training
> than another set of after market, name sponsored, add ons parts.
>
> The basic guitar hasn't changed in 60 years : plank of
> wood and crude magnets.
So how 'bout I pick up the next Squier or First Act off of my local
craigslist, and trade you straight across for your favorite guitar?
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Re: These pickups? - RS - 6-:28 -0-09-20
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On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:26:22 -0500, Restless Fingers Syndrome
<rfs@foo.ocm> wrote:
>Tony Done wrote:
>>> The basic guitar hasn't changed in 60 years : plank of
>>> wood and crude magnets.
>>
>> I think you are good at offering throwaway comments. Do you have
>> anything more substantial to show why I or anyone else should take
>> notice of you?
>>
>>
>*plonk*
>
> I think you are mediocre at best ... asking open ended questions with
> little relevance .. Of the dozen or more drifters who flow through
> here ... how many do you really thing give a shit about Moe, Curry,
> Larry, or Sonny's obscure pickups ?
Quite a few. The generic "It's all in the fingers" thing doesn't even
float with the pro players that you mentioned. You used Eric Johnson
for your illustration. He may be about the worst example you could
have picked. Eric obsesses over types of pickups, wires, speakers,
and even batteries.
So there's absolutely no harm in asking about gear here, unless you
want to restrict AG to theory questions.
Tony: Dual rail pickups generally do provide more weight than a
conventional strat pickup. There's some inherent rolloff of highs due
to reading a wider aperture on the string. Useful for slide, where
the sound can often get a bit scratchy.
My personal take on the major types of dual-rail pickups:
Barden: Piercing, Tele-like. Think Danny Gatton. Won't give you that
much rolloff, and in fact, are sometimes -less- forgiving. But good
for what they do.
Dimarzio: Most of their dual-rails are for shredders. Dense sound, but
non-descript: not much personality, IMO.
Duncan Hot Rails: To my ear, are nasal and way overdone.
Duncan Cool Rails: Nicer, with a more realistic compromise between
power and tone.
Clearly, I'm not a huge fan of most of those, but of all of them, I'd
personally choose Duncan Cool Rails.
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Re: These pickups? - Tony Done - 6-:28 -0-09-20
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"RS" <RS@nonspam.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:26:22 -0500, Restless Fingers Syndrome
> <rfs@foo.ocm> wrote:
>
>>Tony Done wrote:
>
>>>> The basic guitar hasn't changed in 60 years : plank of
>>>> wood and crude magnets.
>>>
>>> I think you are good at offering throwaway comments. Do you have
>>> anything more substantial to show why I or anyone else should take
>>> notice of you?
>>>
>>>
>>*plonk*
>>
>> I think you are mediocre at best ... asking open ended questions with
>> little relevance .. Of the dozen or more drifters who flow through
>> here ... how many do you really thing give a shit about Moe, Curry,
>> Larry, or Sonny's obscure pickups ?
>
> Quite a few. The generic "It's all in the fingers" thing doesn't even
> float with the pro players that you mentioned. You used Eric Johnson
> for your illustration. He may be about the worst example you could
> have picked. Eric obsesses over types of pickups, wires, speakers,
> and even batteries.
>
> So there's absolutely no harm in asking about gear here, unless you
> want to restrict AG to theory questions.
>
> Tony: Dual rail pickups generally do provide more weight than a
> conventional strat pickup. There's some inherent rolloff of highs due
> to reading a wider aperture on the string. Useful for slide, where
> the sound can often get a bit scratchy.
>
> My personal take on the major types of dual-rail pickups:
>
> Barden: Piercing, Tele-like. Think Danny Gatton. Won't give you that
> much rolloff, and in fact, are sometimes -less- forgiving. But good
> for what they do.
>
> Dimarzio: Most of their dual-rails are for shredders. Dense sound, but
> non-descript: not much personality, IMO.
>
> Duncan Hot Rails: To my ear, are nasal and way overdone.
>
> Duncan Cool Rails: Nicer, with a more realistic compromise between
> power and tone.
>
> Clearly, I'm not a huge fan of most of those, but of all of them, I'd
> personally choose Duncan Cool Rails.
<g> Thanks, that's useful info. I was guessing Hot Rails in the vid, because
of the huge mid range boost, but the nasal thing is a major turn-off - eg SD
JBs.
Do you have an opinion on string-to-string balance in rail pickups? I'm a
little paranoid about that. I guess it's asking a lot, good for clean and
super-saturated.
Tony D
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