Gibson Les Paul Value Question - adam79 - 6-:20 -0-09-20
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I'm thinking about buying this amazing '74 Gibson Les Paul that is one
of those diamond in the ruff models, that makes all the other ones feel
and play like shit. It's expensive, $2200. The previous owner made a
couple modifications to the guitar. He sanded down the sides of the
headstock, and also sanded down that bump on the back of the neck where
the headstock and neck meet. Do these modifications lower the value of
the guitar?
Thanks,
-Adam
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Value Question - Andy - 6-:20 -0-09-20
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adam79 wrote:
> I'm thinking about buying this amazing '74 Gibson Les Paul that is one
> of those diamond in the ruff models, that makes all the other ones feel
> and play like shit. It's expensive, $2200. The previous owner made a
> couple modifications to the guitar. He sanded down the sides of the
> headstock, and also sanded down that bump on the back of the neck where
> the headstock and neck meet. Do these modifications lower the value of
> the guitar?
Lower the value? Probably a little.
I'd be more concerned about the fact that the headstock/neck joint is
even *weaker* than it was when it left the factory. Breaks at that
joint are a common occurrance with the Gibsons, especially if they take
a tumble off a guitar stand.
On the flipside, once properly repaired they're generally much stronger
in that area :-\
Cheers,
Andy.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Value Question - Rufus - 6-:20 -0-09-20
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adam79 wrote:
> I'm thinking about buying this amazing '74 Gibson Les Paul that is one
> of those diamond in the ruff models, that makes all the other ones feel
> and play like shit. It's expensive, $2200. The previous owner made a
> couple modifications to the guitar. He sanded down the sides of the
> headstock, and also sanded down that bump on the back of the neck where
> the headstock and neck meet. Do these modifications lower the value of
> the guitar?
>
> Thanks,
> -Adam
Yes - he shaved the volute off a volute necked Les Paul...the guy ought
to be shot. Twice! The valuation of that hunk of wood is trashed...
I'd offer him $50...in fact, I'd make him give ME $50 to take it...
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Value Question - adam79 - 6-:20 -0-09-20
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Rufus wrote:
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> Yes - he shaved the volute off a volute necked Les Paul...the guy ought
> to be shot. Twice! The valuation of that hunk of wood is trashed...
>
> I'd offer him $50...in fact, I'd make him give ME $50 to take it...
>
That's what I was afraid of.. I've played hundreds of LPs in my life,
and this one has the best sound and feel than any of the others, by a
large margin. If I hit a snag, and have to sell it down the road, I
don't want to get stuck with a devalued guitar.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Value Question - Arlowe - 6-:20 -0-09-20
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Rufus explained on 21/06/2009 :
> adam79 wrote:
>> I'm thinking about buying this amazing '74 Gibson Les Paul that is one of
>> those diamond in the ruff models, that makes all the other ones feel and
>> play like shit. It's expensive, $2200. The previous owner made a couple
>> modifications to the guitar. He sanded down the sides of the headstock, and
>> also sanded down that bump on the back of the neck where the headstock and
>> neck meet. Do these modifications lower the value of the guitar?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Adam
>
> Yes - he shaved the volute off a volute necked Les Paul...the guy ought to be
> shot. Twice! The valuation of that hunk of wood is trashed...
>
> I'd offer him $50...in fact, I'd make him give ME $50 to take it...
just a thought...
If you snapped the Headstock off & wanted to make the repair less
noticeable would explain why the volute was cut back...
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Value Question - RichL - 6-:20 -0-09-20
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Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rufus explained on 21/06/2009 :
>> adam79 wrote:
>>> I'm thinking about buying this amazing '74 Gibson Les Paul that is
>>> one of those diamond in the ruff models, that makes all the other
>>> ones feel and play like shit. It's expensive, $2200. The previous
>>> owner made a couple modifications to the guitar. He sanded down the
>>> sides of the headstock, and also sanded down that bump on the back
>>> of the neck where the headstock and neck meet. Do these
>>> modifications lower the value of the guitar?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Adam
>>
>> Yes - he shaved the volute off a volute necked Les Paul...the guy
>> ought to be shot. Twice! The valuation of that hunk of wood is
>> trashed...
>>
>> I'd offer him $50...in fact, I'd make him give ME $50 to take it...
>
> just a thought...
> If you snapped the Headstock off & wanted to make the repair less
> noticeable would explain why the volute was cut back...
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Value Question - Rufus - 6-:21 -0-09-20
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Arlowe wrote:
> Rufus explained on 21/06/2009 :
>> adam79 wrote:
>>> I'm thinking about buying this amazing '74 Gibson Les Paul that is
>>> one of those diamond in the ruff models, that makes all the other
>>> ones feel and play like shit. It's expensive, $2200. The previous
>>> owner made a couple modifications to the guitar. He sanded down the
>>> sides of the headstock, and also sanded down that bump on the back of
>>> the neck where the headstock and neck meet. Do these modifications
>>> lower the value of the guitar?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Adam
>>
>> Yes - he shaved the volute off a volute necked Les Paul...the guy
>> ought to be shot. Twice! The valuation of that hunk of wood is
>> trashed...
>>
>> I'd offer him $50...in fact, I'd make him give ME $50 to take it...
>
> just a thought...
> If you snapped the Headstock off & wanted to make the repair less
> noticeable would explain why the volute was cut back...
>
>
Not really...on the (good) repair jobs I've seen the broken head is
doweled back on to make the join stronger, and crack is then filled and
the volute is preserved.
I saw a collector once that had a large set of volute neck Gibsons -
many Les Pauls and some ES types...the whole point of the collection
(which was being sold as a group - for huge-large bux) was that they
were all volute necks.
If the guitar plays nice and you're looking for a utility axe, I'd pass
along what this particular thing might be worth to you as a utility
player - but it's value to a "collector" has been shot all to hell as
far as I can tell. I certainly wouldn't pay more than a few hundred for
it - altered headstock and neck...ick. Might as well be buying a knock-off.
I have a '78 LPC - my first guitar - with a volute neck and two newer
ones and actually prefer the look and feel of having that volute there.
Same for a friend's two vintage ES-347s.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Value Question - Rufus - 6-:21 -0-09-20
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RichL wrote:
> Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rufus explained on 21/06/2009 :
>>> adam79 wrote:
>>>> I'm thinking about buying this amazing '74 Gibson Les Paul that is
>>>> one of those diamond in the ruff models, that makes all the other
>>>> ones feel and play like shit. It's expensive, $2200. The previous
>>>> owner made a couple modifications to the guitar. He sanded down the
>>>> sides of the headstock, and also sanded down that bump on the back
>>>> of the neck where the headstock and neck meet. Do these
>>>> modifications lower the value of the guitar?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Adam
>>> Yes - he shaved the volute off a volute necked Les Paul...the guy
>>> ought to be shot. Twice! The valuation of that hunk of wood is
>>> trashed...
>>>
>>> I'd offer him $50...in fact, I'd make him give ME $50 to take it...
>> just a thought...
>> If you snapped the Headstock off & wanted to make the repair less
>> noticeable would explain why the volute was cut back...
>
> I was thinking exactly the same thing.
>
>
...if yer a faux woodworker...maybe...or if the neck is unfinished, or
clear finished. But still...all a savvy Gibson owner would have to do
is look at the serial number to date the guitar and he'd know he was
buying (hopefully just looking at...) a busted/repaired/altered one.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Value Question - RichL - 6-:21 -0-09-20
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Rufus <not@home.com> wrote:
> RichL wrote:
>> Arlowe <bare.arsed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Rufus explained on 21/06/2009 :
>>>> adam79 wrote:
>>>>> I'm thinking about buying this amazing '74 Gibson Les Paul that is
>>>>> one of those diamond in the ruff models, that makes all the other
>>>>> ones feel and play like shit. It's expensive, $2200. The previous
>>>>> owner made a couple modifications to the guitar. He sanded down
>>>>> the sides of the headstock, and also sanded down that bump on the
>>>>> back of the neck where the headstock and neck meet. Do these
>>>>> modifications lower the value of the guitar?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> -Adam
>>>> Yes - he shaved the volute off a volute necked Les Paul...the guy
>>>> ought to be shot. Twice! The valuation of that hunk of wood is
>>>> trashed...
>>>>
>>>> I'd offer him $50...in fact, I'd make him give ME $50 to take it...
>>> just a thought...
>>> If you snapped the Headstock off & wanted to make the repair less
>>> noticeable would explain why the volute was cut back...
>>
>> I was thinking exactly the same thing.
>>
>>
>
> ...if yer a faux woodworker...maybe...or if the neck is unfinished, or
> clear finished. But still...all a savvy Gibson owner would have to do
> is look at the serial number to date the guitar and he'd know he was
> buying (hopefully just looking at...) a busted/repaired/altered one.
I'm not saying it's not the original headstock, but simply that a crappy
repair job may have been done. I'm not sure why anyone in his right
mind would sand down the headstock in that way otherwise.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Value Question - Tom E - 6-:21 -0-09-20
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"adam79" <adam79@toast.net> wrote in message
news:BcKdnSkD3-e6EqDXnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@posted.toastnet...
> I'm thinking about buying this amazing '74 Gibson Les Paul that is one of
> those diamond in the ruff models, that makes all the other ones feel and
> play like shit. It's expensive, $2200. The previous owner made a couple
> modifications to the guitar. He sanded down the sides of the headstock,
> and also sanded down that bump on the back of the neck where the headstock
> and neck meet. Do these modifications lower the value of the guitar?
>
> Thanks,
> -Adam
>
As others have said, it does sound like a repair. If the guitar was dropped
and the headstock damaged on one side then what you describe appears to be a
repair. If one side is damaged as well as a neck break, you gotta even that
up in the repair by working the other side. The value is substantially
lowered but by how much who knows. I say this because the other parts of
these guitars, if original, can demand a fair sum to someone seeking to
repair or build up one of the same era.
dj
'72 LP Deluxe
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